DUST Search - Why so much hate for CCP?

Benjamin Hellios wrote:

Forlorn Destrier wrote:

howard sanchez wrote:

Benjamin Hellios wrote:

I'm not really complaining, I love most of what I'm seeing. My only concern is that the game is going from 'free to play' to 'sort of free to play'

Voice chat for:
-Squads: free
-Teams: free
-Corps: not free
-Alliances: not free
-Between Dust and Eve: not free

Maybe I'm getting lost in the semantics, but the game is marketed as 'free to play', so technically I shouldn't have to pay for anything, including voice chat.

Really Benjamin? Really!? You shouldn't have to pay for Anything? Because they said 'free to play' you shouldnt be expected to purchase anything?

Done

CCP has said that Aurum purchased items will be resell able for isk in the player market. Do I have that right, Dust-Mites? I think I do

Did you mean that no player should have the option of spending real money on anything in this game post release? Cuz that seems mean

Dirty Sanchez (hehe) people don't think things through. We live in a fast food world and if they don't see it on the way through the drive through then it doesn't exist. They don't know or care that these items are resellable, and they take all the ketchup packets because they are free.

All, it is still free to play. You just have to pay for perks that are not necessary for game play. This is the same business model as other free to play games (D&D online, Ghost Recon online, Mass Effect: Infiltrator, Hero Academy, Assassin's Creed Recollection, Guitar Hero series, countless games on Facebook, Rock Band series, and the list goes on).

What they are all missing is that CCP is a business, and a business' goal is to make money. They are thinking that because they get a free account that that they get the advanced stuff for free too. Just like banks - banks are businesses too - of course they charge fees, it's how they make money to survive.

People are short sighted, and they feel entitled, and when that feeling is challenged that's when they get mad - not because CCP is trying to make money, but because they see the company's goal of making money is in conflict with their instant gratification and personal feeling of entitlement. And because people feel that their own personal believes can't be wrong, the fault must be with the other party involved, in this case CCP, and CCP is at fault in their world view for doing something that contradicts their feeling of control and entitlement. This is the curse of a capitalistic society, where people want everything for as little as possible so that they can also buy this and that and the other.

Rant over. Society analysis over. LET'S KILL SOME DUST BUNNIES!

-FD

C'mon man, free to play isn't exactly a vague term now is it? I don't know what you're trying to accomplish with your pseudo-intellectual 'society analysis' but all I'm saying is that free is free, not somewhat free.

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All, it is still free to play. You just have to pay for perks that are not necessary for game play.

If you have to pay for perks it's no longer free, it's really not that hard to grasp. You don't have to call people entitled, short sighted capitalistic nitwits just for stating obvious facts. As for corp/alliance chat, I do think it's necessary, especially when we hit nullsec. That's my personal opinion.


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Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Legacy Rising 914	Posted - 2012.08.15 21:45:00 - [1] - Quote howard sanchez wrote: Benjamin Hellios wrote: I'm not really complaining, I love most of what I'm seeing. My only concern is that the game is going from 'free to play' to 'sort of free to play' Voice chat for: -Squads: free -Teams: free -Corps: not free -Alliances: not free -Between Dust and Eve: not free Maybe I'm getting lost in the semantics, but the game is marketed as 'free to play', so technically I shouldn't have to pay for anything, including voice chat. Really Benjamin? Really!? You shouldn't have to pay for Anything? Because they said 'free to play' you shouldnt be expected to purchase anything? Done CCP has said that Aurum purchased items will be resell able for isk in the player market. Do I have that right, Dust-Mites? I think I do Did you mean that no player should have the option of spending real money on anything in this game post release? Cuz that seems mean Dirty Sanchez (hehe) people don't think things through. We live in a fast food world and if they don't see it on the way through the drive through then it doesn't exist. They don't know or care that these items are resellable, and they take all the ketchup packets because they are free. All, it is still free to play. You just have to pay for perks that are not necessary for game play. This is the same business model as other free to play games (D&D online, Ghost Recon online, Mass Effect: Infiltrator, Hero Academy, Assassin's Creed Recollection, Guitar Hero series, countless games on Facebook, Rock Band series, and the list goes on). What they are all missing is that CCP is a business, and a business' goal is to make money. They are thinking that because they get a free account that that they get the advanced stuff for free too. Just like banks - banks are businesses too - of course they charge fees, it's how they make money to survive. People are short sighted, and they feel entitled, and when that feeling is challenged that's when they get mad - not because CCP is trying to make money, but because they see the company's goal of making money is in conflict with their instant gratification and personal feeling of entitlement. And because people feel that their own personal believes can't be wrong, the fault must be with the other party involved, in this case CCP, and CCP is at fault in their world view for doing something that contradicts their feeling of control and entitlement. This is the curse of a capitalistic society, where people want everything for as little as possible so that they can also buy this and that and the other. Rant over. Society analysis over. LET'S KILL SOME DUST BUNNIES! -FD
Forlorn Destrier ZionTCD Legacy Rising 914	Posted - 2012.08.15 22:20:00 - [2] - Quote Benjamin Hellios wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: howard sanchez wrote: Benjamin Hellios wrote: I'm not really complaining, I love most of what I'm seeing. My only concern is that the game is going from 'free to play' to 'sort of free to play' Voice chat for: -Squads: free -Teams: free -Corps: not free -Alliances: not free -Between Dust and Eve: not free Maybe I'm getting lost in the semantics, but the game is marketed as 'free to play', so technically I shouldn't have to pay for anything, including voice chat. Really Benjamin? Really!? You shouldn't have to pay for Anything? Because they said 'free to play' you shouldnt be expected to purchase anything? Done CCP has said that Aurum purchased items will be resell able for isk in the player market. Do I have that right, Dust-Mites? I think I do Did you mean that no player should have the option of spending real money on anything in this game post release? Cuz that seems mean Dirty Sanchez (hehe) people don't think things through. We live in a fast food world and if they don't see it on the way through the drive through then it doesn't exist. They don't know or care that these items are resellable, and they take all the ketchup packets because they are free. All, it is still free to play. You just have to pay for perks that are not necessary for game play. This is the same business model as other free to play games (D&D online, Ghost Recon online, Mass Effect: Infiltrator, Hero Academy, Assassin's Creed Recollection, Guitar Hero series, countless games on Facebook, Rock Band series, and the list goes on). What they are all missing is that CCP is a business, and a business' goal is to make money. They are thinking that because they get a free account that that they get the advanced stuff for free too. Just like banks - banks are businesses too - of course they charge fees, it's how they make money to survive. People are short sighted, and they feel entitled, and when that feeling is challenged that's when they get mad - not because CCP is trying to make money, but because they see the company's goal of making money is in conflict with their instant gratification and personal feeling of entitlement. And because people feel that their own personal believes can't be wrong, the fault must be with the other party involved, in this case CCP, and CCP is at fault in their world view for doing something that contradicts their feeling of control and entitlement. This is the curse of a capitalistic society, where people want everything for as little as possible so that they can also buy this and that and the other. Rant over. Society analysis over. LET'S KILL SOME DUST BUNNIES! -FD C'mon man, free to play isn't exactly a vague term now is it? I don't know what you're trying to accomplish with your pseudo-intellectual 'society analysis' but all I'm saying is that free is free, not somewhat free. Quote: All, it is still free to play. You just have to pay for perks that are not necessary for game play. If you have to pay for perks it's no longer free, it's really not that hard to grasp. You don't have to call people entitled, short sighted capitalistic nitwits just for stating obvious facts. As for corp/alliance chat, I do think it's necessary, especially when we hit nullsec. That's my personal opinion. You can play without paying anything. Therefore, it is free to play this game. Purchasing items is optional. You don't like the term, and that is fine, but remember that it is a marketing term and it is an honest term. I, for one, will be playing this game for free. I do not intend to spend money, therefore it is free to play. You can chose to pay, and you are right it is then pay to play, but that doesn't change the fact that it can be played at no charge.